AMY GOODMAN: Anabel Hernández’s 2010 book on the Mexican drug wars has just been translated into English. It is called, “Narcoland: The Mexican Drug Lords and Their Godfathers.” She joins us here in New York before heading back to Mexico. It is an honor to have you with us, Anabel.
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Thanks for inviting me, and thanks for your interest in what is happening in Mexico, that’s is important.
AMY GOODMAN: Explain what is happening. What’s happening with the drug cartels, the connection to the government?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: First, I have to explain that I have been investigating the drug cartels for seven years and I have enough information to give my opinion about it. What I found is that in Mexico, doesn’t exist really a war against the drug cartels. What exists in the government of Felipe Calderón was a war between the cartels, and the government took a side of that war, protecting to the Sinaloa Cartel. That is why all of the violence and crime grew up in Mexico.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: What you describe is very similar to what happened in Colombia two decades ago when the Colombian government more or less sided with the Cali Cartel against the Medellín Cartel. Could you talk about some of what you uncovered in terms of government officials directly implicated at the same time that they were fighting the drug war, being involved with the cartels?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: What I found in official documents and by testimonies is that the Secretary of Public Security in Mexico, General García Luna, was the most powerful chief of police and the government of Felipe Calderón, he was really involved with a drug cartel, with the Sinaloa Cartel. He was on the payroll as the same as the most important chief of police of the federal police. So these guys, not just protect the to the Sinaloa Cartel, they also help them to traffic drugs and money in the most important airports in Mexico.
AMY GOODMAN: You name a number of prominent government officials. Talk about who they are.
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: I’m talking about General García Luna. I’m also put the names of other presidents, before–
AMY GOODMAN: Like?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Felipe Calderón. What I found is since the case of the ‘60s until the last day of the government of Ernesto Zedillo, who the last president that came from the party, PRI, all that government used to protect all the cartels. The drug cartels in Mexico as you know is not new. It’s a very old story—that government made them very powerful.
AMY GOODMAN: What does it mean when the U.S. government gives millions to the Mexican government? You say the Mexican government is for the war and drugs, and you say the Mexican government is not fighting against the drugs, but as part of the drug cartels and supporting them?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: What I discovered in my investigation is that much of that money, much of that technology, much of that equipment now is in the hands of the drug cartels.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: The amazing story is, here you have Felipe Calderón launching this war that has led to 80,000 deaths in Mexico, and yet you’re saying that his main federal police chief was involved with one of the cartels. What has been the reaction in Mexico among the justice officials or authorities to some of your revelations?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: When I published his book, I really was able to put many of the proofs in the book. It was published in Spanish. Because I of course know that it maybe could be very difficult for the people to understand and believe, what it is really happening. So I published it, the government didn’t say anything. Anything. They just kept quiet. They’re still protecting to the Sinaloa Cartels. But now I think the society in Mexico really knows that the bloody war, it was just a sham, it was fake, it wasn’t true. The federal government didn’t want to fight against the drug cartels. The federal government choose to fight against some cartels—enemies of the Sinaloa Cartels—and protect them.
AMY GOODMAN: I shake as you speak, Anabel Hernández, because Mexico is one of the dangerous countries for journalists to work again, especially Mexican journalists. I want to talk about your safety. But first, your father was a journalist? Can you talk about what happened to him?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: My father represents everything for me. He was kidnapped and murdered in December 2000. He was a businessman. He was not a journalist. He was just a businessman. In that year, many businessmen were kidnapped by little gangs just for money. He was murdered. When we cried for justice from the police, the chief of police said, well, if you want justice, if you want that we investigate, you have to pay. Of course, we chose not to pay. My family choose not pay because you can’t buy the justice. So until now, I don’t know who killed my father. I learned that corruption hurts.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: He was killed in Mexico City?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Yes, he was kidnapped in Mexico City and his body was found in a Mexican state, it’s a very near place to Mexico City.
AMY GOODMAN: What about you? You travel with two bodyguards?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Well, yes. Since I published this book in December of2010, I have received death threats. Not from the head of the Sinaloa cartels, or the other cartels, the threats that I received came from the chief of police, General García Luna. So I
AMY GOODMAN: How do you know that?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Because I have an informant that called me in December 2010. He called me: it is really urgent to see you. I met him. He told me I’m coming from a meeting of the police and that police were talking about that trying to contract some police to kill you. Simulating a car accident or something like that General García Luna are trying to contact some police to kill you, simulating a car accident or something like that. And he is offering better salaries and better positions in the police if they do it. That information really saved my life. I put a demand against General García Luna and the National Commission of Human Rights ordered to put these bodyguards with me.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: I want to ask you about the issue of how widespread the violence is in Mexico. About a year ago we had Jorge Castañeda on the show, former Foreign Minister of Vicente Fox, and we asked him about the drug war. He said that while it was tragic and it was a mistake of the Calderón administration, he believed it was largely a regional situation. He said Juárez is not Mexico. That most of Mexico, Mexico City, in other places, people don’t have the same kind of fears that they do in the areas in the north like Juárez and Tijuana. I would like your reaction to that and your sense of how widespread the problem have been a Mexico as a result of this disaster, as you say, fake war.
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Jorge Castaneda is just one politic in Mexico. And politics sometimes don’t say the truth. The truth is that now in Mexico, there are many, many spaces under the control of cartels and also under the control of medium gangs that kidnap people, that extortion people, and now Mexico is a very dangerous place. Sadly to say because I am Mexican. But I’m a journalist, I have a duty to say the truth—that in Mexico, there are many places worse than Juárez.
AMY GOODMAN: What is the role of the DEA, the Drug Enforcement Administration, the U.S. agency in Mexico?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: I am now investigating that because I really cannot believe how they use government of the Drug Enforcement Administration, really didn’t saw what is happening in Mexico. And I found one document in 2011 in one court of Chicago that really proves that the Drug Enforcement Administration has a connection with the Sinaloa Cartel.
AMY GOODMAN: Can you tell us who Joaquin Guzmán, leader of Sinaloa cartel is?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: What I found in my investigation is that he was the just son of a farmer. He is illiterate. He almost can’t read and write. He is a vicious man. He is alcoholic, he uses drugs, I mean he is nobody. He had to leave school when he was seven years old. What it’s about, my book, is how this man that is almost nobody, now is the most powerful drug lord in the world. That is the answer that you can find in my book.
JUAN GONZÁLEZ: He remains at large? He remains free, somewhere in Mexico still?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Yes. Of course he is in Mexico. I’m also sure he is everywhere because he has the power to buy the state, he has the power to break the laws with his money. So he can be anywhere.
AMY GOODMAN: You say he was escorted to the prison dressed as a government official, accompanied by conspiring government officers out to a helicopter and whisked away to freedom?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: Yes. What I found in the criminal case of El Chapo Guzmán, that he didn’t escape, as in the official version, in the laundry car with the help of one man. He really escaped by the help of the federal government and he used a uniform of police and took in on a little turn.
AMY GOODMAN: Anabel, what needs to be done, and what makes you so brave?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: I’m sorry?
AMY GOODMAN: What needs to be done and what makes you so brave?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: I really think the government, not just the Mexican government, really has to start to fight against the drug cartels. I mean, the way to start to fight against the drug cartels is to put all those officials in jail. Put the businessmen that help the drug cartels in jail. Put the directors of the banks that launder the money in jail. And then you can make a huge campaign against consuming drugs. If you cut the market, you really can cut the business.
AMY GOODMAN: Would legalizing drugs, or decriminalizing them help?
ANABEL HERNÁNDEZ: I’m not sure, if Mexico, for example, is really ready for that. We can see options. About the second question is because, as I said, corruption hurts. The biggest problem in Mexico is the corruption. The corruption is the mother of El Chapo Guzmán and the mother of all the other cartels.
AMY GOODMAN: I want to thank you so much for your work, for your bravery. Have a safe journey home, Anabel Hernández. Her book is called, “Narcoland.”